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Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.25 18:06:00 - [1] Ok, so you gave the candy and now you're taking it away. At any rate, i won't touch that right now. Sure i will be completely **ed on my income source, and will now have to resort to having an alt in high-sec running missions, that give more profit than belt-ratting in one system with over 20 alliance mates at any given time. But whats the purpose now of upgrading 0.0 to -0.2 systems? More Hidden Hubs**? [sarcasm]Hooray..[/sarcasm]. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.25 18:44:00 - [2] This proposed change better be announced for a April 1st patch, if you catch my drift. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.25 19:11:00 - [3] The only alliances which use anomalies as an income source are the small ones that are still estabilishing foothold. They rat sanctuns and havens to pay for the initial PVP ships for home-defense, to pay for the POS and jump-freighters to set up a modest moon mining scheme and to encourage new blood to join. Now they wont be able to do that. Good job. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.25 20:14:00 - [4] We will soon start to see people ragequiting the game is this BS comes to TQ. I'd even ask then if i can haz their stuffz, but what will be the point.. Their ratting stuffz will be useless anyway. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.25 20:24:00 - [5] Originally by: SmallGang Bandit Hate to break it to all of you though - it's not going to "destroy the game" after all you only had those sanctums/havens for the last year anyway, and if you are that angry, and going to quit playing, make sure to give all your stuff to someone in your corp/alliance, so they can use it. Yes, we did not had anomalies 15 months ago, so its ok to remove them. We also have the same political map we had 15 months go. Also, the alliances pilots that have more thannys than i have noobships on high-sec and who live in -0.6 and up will also be forced to adapt to going back to belt ratting. Good analysis. You surprisingly fit the bill to work for CCP, so send them your CV. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.25 20:55:00 - [6] Apparently, the few people who support this idea also think that a massive exodus of people towards high-sec missioning is a good thing. Also, some people also believe these alliances who made a living out of < -0.2 should try to conquer > -0.5 space. Sure, we had income then, now we no longer have. So lets get whats left of our money and try to take systems away from people who still have their income source unchanged. Because surely PVP ships are free. Either leave anomalies as they are, or completely remove them from all systems to make thing the way they were pre-dominion. Otherwise this shall forever be known as EVE's SOE moment. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.25 23:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Woodiex3 GL trying to convince ppl to make 7mil/tick in 0.0 compared to 25mil/tick in high sec This. If asked i'll say that i don't want this change to see the light of day, but a small part of me wants to see it, just to see the amount of facepalms on CCP's headquarters. Yeah, i'm one of those people who saw 2012 and laughted like it was a Monty Python movie. CCP Greyscale should change his name to CCP MichaelBay ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.26 01:26:00 - [8] I'm surprised at how incredibly short sighted some people are. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.26 03:53:00 - [9] Grayscale, i'm sorry, i believe that this sort of change was proposed without much thinking. Not only was it a mistake, but it was a very unresponsible thing to do. I respect the work you guys do, but this has "poorly thinked" written all over it. Not only it enraged your playerbase, it gave the wrong idea of the quality of your guys work. Now a lot of people were led to believe that you guys do in fact like to change things without thinking too much about it. I do not expect this change to be implemented on the way it was originally proposed, because everyone here pointed out with a lot of solid arguments that the changes proposed will not achieve the consequences you guys wanted. It will, in fact, do the exact opposite. Big alliances will stay big (and grow bigger), botters and macroers will continue botting and macroeing COMPLETELY unaffected and, completely the contrary of what you want, small alliances will have an even harder time estabilishing a foothold. And acording to the consequences you said you expect to happen, you don't want any of this to happen. If you guys want to affect the income source of the big dogs, you shouldn't look to anomalies, you should look toward moons. Also, i noticed that this dev blog was posted toward the end of today's fanfest exhibitions. Expect a major roar this next afternoon. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.26 04:35:00 - [10] Originally by: Ascendic Edited by: Ascendic on 26/03/2011 04:33:10 Originally by: Liang Nuren The customer is not always right. See the Supercap changes. -Liang Ed: Actually, the amount of evidence against the customer being good at MMO balancing is pretty enormous. And yes, the balancing of the game is what continues to make it a functional game. Orly? Let us see said evidence or feel free to STFU. How does that cok taste? Ignore that person. A lot of people already are ignoring it. ____________ I like woman because breasts

Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.26 07:02:00 - [11] Originally by: progodlegend You guys asking what to do when all the big alliances own all the best space? Welcome to EVE pre dominion, or EVE., figure out a way to beat them, or deal with it, *****. You guys just can't do anything without someone holding your hand, and you don't know what to do. I can not believe that NC people are saying, "but what do I do they have more than I do." That is the most hypocritical statement I have ever seen, I can't even imagine how your mind can come up with that comment and say it with a straight face. So it was broken before, then they fixed it, and now they're breaking it again. And you agree with it because you used to play when it was broken and you got on by with it. Sorry, i am still not convinced that this patch would bring a welcome change to anybody but the ones who already have it all. Big blocks hold all the good moon goo, and now they will ALSO hold all the good ratting sites. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.26 07:55:00 - [12] Edited by: Renan Ruivo on 26/03/2011 08:01:06 You know, i'm sick and tired of hearing the 3% of the posters in this thread who think this is a good idea. The sole argument these people make is that the game used to have no havens and sanctums before dominion. Because we didn't have it then, we will be OK if CCP take them away. A long time ago we also had NO Strategic Cruisers! So its OK TO REMOVE THEM!! A long time ago we also had NO Titans! So its OK TO REMOVE THEM!! A long time ago we also had NO Planetary Interaction! So its OK TO REMOVE IT!! A long time ago we also had NO AVATARS! So its OK TO REMOVE THEM!! A long time ago all we had were a few ships per race, and the biggest and baddest one around was the battleship. We also did not have the trinity engine. So it's OK to remove all that and go back to 2003. It doesn't matter that removing them will NOT make life EASIER for NOBODY. Changing for the sake of change is a good thing and it needs no argument to favor it. Get a ****ing clue. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.26 08:10:00 - [13] Edited by: Renan Ruivo on 26/03/2011 08:11:18 Originally by: progodlegend Edited by: progodlegend on 26/03/2011 08:07:21 Originally by: Renan Ruivo You know, i'm sick and tired of hearing the 3% of the posters in this thread who think this is a good idea. The sole argument these people make is that the game used to have no havens and sanctums before dominion. Because we didn't have it then, we will be OK if CCP take them away. It doesn't matter that removing them will NOT make life EASIER for NOBODY. Changing for the sake of change is a good thing and it needs no argument to favor it. Get a ****ing clue. I agree, lets make EVE easier for everybody. Since its obvious that your opinion is "the more isk people have, the better this game is", and yes that is what are you arguing, why don't we just do what is done on the test server, and seed everything for 100 isk in all stations, even 0.0. That way we can PVP all the time, and not have to worry about making isk. I mean honestly thats what everyone wants right, constant PVP, Call of Duty style. Also, when we die, we should respawn in the same ship we were just in one system over, that way, you can quickly jump back into the system, and REJOIN THE PVP. Yes, lets focus on making things easier for everybody. Also, this sentence is just epic to read, "It doesn't matter that removing them will NOT make life EASIER for NOBODY." I read it to myself and then my head hurts. Oops. Sorry, i wasn't born in an english speaking country, so that fact makes any argument that comes from me less valid. Care to write your entire post in portuguese for me? Pointing out typos does not wins you any points. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.26 08:19:00 - [14] Originally by: progodlegend And honestly, I thought you were an American (probably from my state), based off the typo, so actually, kudos to some pretty good English. Oh.. well. Thanks :) See, now i can't make any flamed arguments. Damn you. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.26 08:22:00 - [15] Edited by: Renan Ruivo on 26/03/2011 08:22:29 Originally by: Furb Killer Related, I asked Trebor about wtf this crap is, guess what, CCP decided to skip CSM on this and never informed them about anything either. Anyone remember the dev blog about how much CCP cares about CSM? LOL You see, my mother taught me something that i still hold close to my heart to this day: "Son, if you need to hide it from me, that is an indication that whatever it is, it's wrong. And you know it." ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.26 19:51:00 - [16] Edited by: Renan Ruivo on 26/03/2011 19:53:26 Well, i can only hope that this thread keeps growing in size to show CCP that everyone cares. But, according to the massive negative response the idea has received (And yes, different to other MMO forums, EVE's forums is known for having players who do know and care. Just look for threads about Suicide Ganking, AFK Cloaking and Gate Guns and you'll see what i mean.) we can gather one thing: The playerbase does NOT want any kind of null-sec system that has no havens and no sanctums. CCP Greyscale, please take that into account when you guys rethink this. Give sanctums and havens for -0.01 and work your way up. Small alliances ALREADY want to move (read: Expand) from the systems they're at, but because of the big power blocks, expanding takes time and study. The exact big power blocks that you will be helping with these changes. Make no mistake having MORE sanctums and MORE havens on their space helps them a lot, since you won't need to dilude the isk with a 5 man fleet running sanctums. Don't change the number of anomalies based on true-sec. Change the bounty of the anomaly rats based on true-sec.. I would start planning a move RIGHT NOW if sanctum battleships on a -0.95 systems were worth 1.800.000 ISK (Like they are in belts) instead of 1.200.000. My 65.536 cents. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.26 20:13:00 - [17] Originally by: Mioelnir Originally by: Renan Ruivo The playerbase does NOT want any kind of null-sec system that has no havens and no sanctums. The general consensus, at least to my understanding, is: - making truesec more meaningful again (it currently still affects regular belt rats and officer rates etc) is good - making systems more diverse is good - reducing the sustainable population density dominion brought to 0.0 is bad - having people earn their living in the space they live in is good - even the most uninteresting system should still be interesting enough to offset 0.0 and attract some players - the ressource reshuffle needs to be broader than just the elimination of some anomalies as a single magical fix What the mechanic that achieves this is called, who cares? Yup, i agree with that view. Like i said, i believe that Greyscale has his heart in the right place, but he's trying to tackle a Dramiel with a Warp Disruptor fit Drake. But tl;dr, its exactly the way i've put it. The playerbase does NOT want null-sec with no havens/sanctums. That's just bad ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.26 22:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Frodo Teabaggins Originally by: The Offerer Right now, I've got the skills, I've got my agents, Incursions, LPs, Datacores,... how can I expect to survive living in 0.0 space if my income is worse than now? There will be a point when I would get bored of highsec and finally make my move, but if the move is against my interest or makes me unable to get enough ISK to survive, then guess I'll stay where I am until the game becomes too boring to be playable. Shame... I really liked this game. first paragraph... if you have all that you have a good base of ISK then and shouldnt have to worry about your wallet for awhile... second paragraph... ISK will still be easily attained in 0.0 as it was done before... alot of players made good isk ratting in belts well before the anomalies gained weight. in a good system (even .3 or .4) you can make 40ish mil an hour with bounties alone. Then either remove them completely, or don't touch them. I find it VERY convenient that a ****load of people who are favorable to these changes already live in good truesec, so you people are hardly qualified to judge these changes. The proposed change will make the poor poorer and the rich richier. Either remove it all, or don't touch it. Don't just take it from the small guys and leave it in the hands of the big dogs. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.27 08:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Estimated Prophet [...] it would fail to achieve it's stated goals, and actually harm the game as a whole by making it harder for new alliances to challenge the existing power blocks. Sure, they'll get an initial foothold easily enough, but the systems they'll get will be so poor (supporting 1-2 players at an income level less than running level 4 missions in high-sec) that they'll sustaining the growth needed to challenge the existing alliances. Meanwhile the existing alliances will be sitting on the best moons and the best systems, churning out super-caps as fast as they can, and growing richer and stronger at a much faster rate. The gap between the two is only going to grow at a much faster rate. Quoted for truth now, and shall be requoted if needed be in the future of this thread. Well pointed. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.27 21:30:00 - [20] Originally by: Quicktime Nobody would read 31 pages of comments but couple of points. CCP do not play this game. Don't expect them to know the life of a player. CCP is looking at how many people are paying for this game in isk and attempting to reduce it. CCP will keep nerfing / reducing the amount of isk a person can generate until they get the number of isk paying players down to a number they feel is acceptable. CCP dose not care about the player base that plays the game for free, why should they. Well, although both of us agree that this is a bad idea, i figured i should clear this out. No matter how many people play with ISK, CCP gets the same amount of money as they would if everyone had an credit card subscribed to their accounts. If all the 360.000 accounts in EVE paid with PLEX, CCP would still get the same revenue. ____________ I like woman because breasts

Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.28 03:09:00 - [21] Originally by: Lili Lu Supercarriers, Drakes, Technetium, coalition blobs or small RMT entitities with renters. None of these get fixed fast enough or at all. Now a CSM that is controlled by the same coalition blocks. Honestly the game is getting boring after 5 years of being here anyway. It's a shame, I was sorta looking forward to Incarna. Now I hardly log in anymore. Can i have your stuffs? ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.28 04:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Ophelia Ursus I bet 90% of the people screaming about the unfairness of this change were also screaming at CCP Nozh for saying that the proposed supercarrier changes were a bit OTT and needed re-thinking. Game design by mass hysteria is stupid. So let's all just sit and keep our mouths shut, because as we all know CCP doesn't screw things up. oh wait.. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.28 04:49:00 - [23] Edited by: Renan Ruivo on 28/03/2011 04:53:30 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Renan Ruivo Originally by: Ophelia Ursus I bet 90% of the people screaming about the unfairness of this change were also screaming at CCP Nozh for saying that the proposed supercarrier changes were a bit OTT and needed re-thinking. Game design by mass hysteria is stupid. So let's all just sit and keep our mouths shut, because as we all know CCP doesn't screw things up. oh wait.. While I laugh every time I watch that, it doesn't change the fact that game design by mass hysteria is stupid. ;-) -Liang Agreed. However, ignoring the public reaction would be even more stupid. The single most valid argument here is that the proposed changes would simply not achieve the desired effects. They would, in fact, do the exact opposite. Power blocks would become even more entrenched, controlling even more concentrated resources and small alliances would have an even harder time settling in. People used to get by before dominion, but thats not whats in discussion here. CCP Greyscale wants to clean his house by using a bucket full of mud. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.28 06:57:00 - [24] Originally by: Desert Ice78 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Desert Ice78 Lang, you know as well as I do that a hub cannot support one player in nul-sec (ignoring that you paid a bil to get that hub in the first place), never mind a corporation or alliance. lolwut. are you freaking serious? Yes, you telling me you've never run one??? I'll take the high ground here and ask: What are the things that the two of you consider to be the basic for the null-sec player? ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.28 07:58:00 - [25] Originally by: Alice Katsuko Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Desert Ice78 Lang, you know as well as I do that a hub cannot support one player in nul-sec (ignoring that you paid a bil to get that hub in the first place), never mind a corporation or alliance. lolwut. are you freaking serious? Text I don't know, there are people here who swear on their mothers and their mother's uncles that they used to make MORE money on true 0.0, with their alliances and corps that had 20 blues on local at any given time, than it was possible to make ALONE on HIGH-SEC doing Level 4 missions with high quality agents. I can't argue with that.... i simply don't know how to explain why a telephone is not a water bottle. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.28 08:19:00 - [26] Edited by: Renan Ruivo on 28/03/2011 08:21:14 Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 28/03/2011 08:03:21 If you're making 20M ISK/hr running Sansha Sanctums, you're doing it very, very, very wrong. You can belt rat for more than that with a T1 fit T1 cruiser. I know - I've done it. -Liang Ed: Furthermore, what you're claiming flies directly in the face of what far more reputable people have been saying on the forums since Dominion was introduced. I've seen claims - and screen shots - of people pulling 80-120M ISK/hr out of Sanctums. That's PVP free ISK, btw, because remember that in high sec you're going to be making most of your ISK off market PVP. Not everyone can pull 120m/h out of sanctums. Believe me, only a few can. And even then, only when you're alone. And you're saying that you could afford to lose pimped out hacs while belt-ratting on true 0.0. Sorry, i have only your word on that, and i cannot believe it. I never lived on null-sec pre dominion, but i know people far more reputable to me than you are, that needed to run missions on high-sec to afford their PVP life on providence. I know it because their alts ran missins with me to help me out. You're trying to tell me that pre-dominion you could rat for less than one hour per day, on crappy belts, and not only that was enought to afford your costs, but that was more profitable than high-sec missioning. Prove it. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.28 08:51:00 - [27] Edited by: Renan Ruivo on 28/03/2011 08:53:05 Originally by: StuRyan Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Renan Ruivo Not everyone can pull 120m/h out of sanctums. Believe me, only a few can. And even then, only when you're alone. The funny thing about it is that high sec income is that high sec scales in a similar manner. Some people can do pretty well... but most don't appear to be able to do it - even though I've spent years telling them in detail how to. Quote: And you're saying that you could afford to lose pimped out hacs while belt-ratting on true 0.0. Sorry, i have only your word on that, and i cannot believe it. I never lived on null-sec pre dominion, but i know people far more reputable to me than you are, that needed to run missions on high-sec to afford their PVP life on providence. I know it because their alts ran missins with me to help me out. You never lived in null sec pre dominion. I did - and so did a very large number of people. Lots of them afforded pimped out nano HACs (and nano battleships before then too!) based purely off ratting income. You don't have to believe me, except to examine whether you really believe all those people had high sec mission alts. The answer is no, if you're curious. Quote: You're trying to tell me that pre-dominion you could rat for less than one hour per day, on crappy belts, and not only that was enought to afford your costs, but that was more profitable than high-sec missioning. Prove it. I'm not sure how you expect me to prove it 2 years down the line? The API doesn't even keep records that far back. But, if you stop and think about it you'll find that it actually makes a ton of sense. If you've got an hour and you cruise through all the belts a couple times (or better yet wander through a few systems), you'll make X ISK. However, in high sec, you can fit only 1 or 2 missions in that same time slot, and there will be some time left over as you can't run another mission. And then there's the time it takes to sort/sell your loot, and then convert/haul/sell your LP - both of which are PVP activities. Whereas in 0.0, you've got a direct ISK flow. Notably, a direct ISK flow that has proven to be bad for the game economy. -Liang Correct me if i am wrong but dominion was introduced to allow people to live in a confined space - doesn't the proposed change mean that people are gonna space out again becuase there truely isn't enough good Truesec to fight over. AND AGAIN - NOBODY EVER FIGHTS FOR TRUESEC... people wanna be able to do passive stuff so that they can log in and go pew pew, not endless grinding - however I am open to the thought of facing tougher AI to make it more difficult to make isk.... everyone knows sanctrums are a endless pit of isk and if in the right ship you can do them very easily, make them harder. Not reducue the amount of opportunites. Like i said. Saying that before dominion things were like this or like that is an invalid. The only thing that this argument proves is that things worked in a way then, so if they remove now things will go back to be the way they were before. And they completely ignore the fact that Dominion came to improve upon that. And on that same merit, you should either remove sanctums and havens completely, or not touch them at all. You cannot possibly want me to believe that taking away resources from small alliances and condensing them on the hands of the big ones, is supposed to help the little guys and create trouble for the big ones. I find this very offensive to my intelligence even.. Originally by: Liang Nuren Second, the fact that everyone keeps shouting about how the "Big Boys" are just going to take the best true sec systems puts lie to your claim. -Liang The argument is not that they will take this space. The argument, is that they already own it. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.28 09:02:00 - [28] Edited by: Renan Ruivo on 28/03/2011 09:02:56 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Klam 2) CCP history on unthoughtful changes to "improve" conflicts in recent memory points squarely at the Mothership -> SuperCarrier change. Talk about killing the small alliances' chances to hold their own. CCPs original plan for the Supercaps was very different. But the 0.0 players - just like you - argued differently. CCP listened to you then... unfortunately. They should have told you to HTFU, and I hope they'll do it this time instead of caving in. The thing i see on these discussions on this thread is exactly this. Its coming down to personal opinions on what should happen. You hope they don't cave in. I (and a overwhelming number of people) do. We all pay the same amount of money. What do we do? ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.28 19:22:00 - [29] Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: CCP Greyscale Hey everyone, It'd be pretty difficult not to notice the fairly strong negative reaction this blog's getting so far, and any time this sort of reaction occurs it's pretty common policy for us to take a pause and do another evaluation pass on the design, taking into account the arguments raised by players. Obviously we're in the middle of fanfest right now so everything takes a little longer than usual, but I'm going to talk to some people tomorrow, get some other perspectives, and figure out whether or not we're still happy with both the direction and the details here. We are starting to take another serious look at a range of nullsec issues right now, with an eye to fixing structural issues with the current design. Be aware that fixing the problems we're facing is very likely going to involve disrupting the current status quo, and in at least some cases I'm expecting us to push through changes we're confident in despite (expected) negative feedback. We have to consider the long-term big picture, and that priority may sometimes conflict with the immediate interests of some elements of the playerbase. That said, this may or may not be one of those occasions - watch this space. Have a nice weekend everybody, and I'll try and get back to you with more info next week -Greyscale Hi again, Update on the above post: we've looked at the concerns brought up here, and done another evaluation pass as mentioned above. The outcome of this is that, while we understand and appreciate that these changes will negatively impact residents in some areas of space in the short term, we feel that on balance they are still likely to result in a noticeably positive overall outcome in the long run. This decision is mainly predicated on the fact that we still have a sufficient degree of confidence in our models of nullsec causality. We understand that many players have alternate models that predict negative outcomes; we will of course be monitoring developments post-deployment to confirm whether or not things are developing in the way we are predicting, with an eye to modifying the proposed system if we see unexpected negative outcomes occurring, but we don't believe that the arguments raised by players in this thread weaken our model sufficiently to justify changing our plans at this stage. We appreciate that this decision is not going to be regarded as a positive one by most participants of this thread, and we of course respect your right to continue to express your previously-noted disapproval here in a civil manner. That's all for today, -Greyscale At this point it's hard not to call you all hypocrites, and say that what you really want is to help the big coalitions. Ok then, i'll wrap up and scrap whatever plans i had as a independent, small alliance and join one of the big five. That's all for today. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.28 22:14:00 - [30] Yeah i wont cancel, but i'll let two of my accounts expire. Not complaining, but that's that. I won't be able to afford them any longer. ____________ I like woman because breasts

Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.28 22:28:00 - [31] Originally by: Galerak So how are the refunds for Ihub upgrades going to work exactly? This. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.29 00:22:00 - [32] Edited by: Renan Ruivo on 29/03/2011 00:22:31 Originally by: UniqueOne Originally by: oldmanst4r Originally by: Liang Nuren stuff I honestly only see one outcome. 1. Large coalitions will immediately seize all space that can be upgraded decently in order to support their gigantic whining member bases. 2. Everyone who comes to 0.0 will join the power-blocs because they are the only alliances who have upgraded systems with decent trusec stats. 3. CCP will declare 0.0 carebear land and add CONCORD protection because everyone is NAPed. I invite anyone to refute these points. So nothing is going to change then? Yeah, i'll pay 2b in upkeep for a system that cannot generate enought revenue to pay for itself. Oh wait. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.29 03:56:00 - [33] Originally by: Commander Hold I think it easy to say that 90% of the people are trying to tell you ccp, this is a stupit idea. There is some 10% saying this is great. Those 10% most likely live in empire, and have not spent much time in 0.0. 0.0 is expensive not just to hold but to keep safe. One of our systems cost almost 1.1 billion isk to maintain each month. On top of that we have spent massive amount of time to upgrade and keep the system. We have lost a huge amount of ships to reds and neuts. My corp is made up of older players with familys for the most part. We work everyday we spend time with our kids. We dont have time to grind 3 or 4 days for a ship. The cost of minerals have already hit most of us as well as the cost of pos fuel. When trit starts costing you almost 4.0 isk pu costs of ships skyrocket. We need those sactums and havens to keep our space without them our major isk role is gone and there is no point holding low end 0.0. Im here to have fun not grind day in and day out. You take FUN out of a GAME then why play. If this goes through Im pulling my accounts. This is to much and ccp you have finally gone to far, your killing the game. Actually, those 10% either already live on the best available space, are goons (ship reposition program) or are alts that can't be traced. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.29 23:57:00 - [34] Originally by: ovenproofjet What is broken is that I'm just gonna go back and say hi to my old Lvl4 agent and I'll be making just as much money in high sec. Some risk vrs reward there eh? Nope, missions are also getting the bat. Forget about your fancy BPC's. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.30 06:26:00 - [35] Edited by: Renan Ruivo on 30/03/2011 06:28:27 Originally by: Imigo Montoya Originally by: Kireiina And liang suggesting that L4's are an isk sink because of LP is irrelevant. Only CCP cares about the game at the macro level. The player only cares about having isk to spend on more ships to play with. And if they can buy more ships (plus lose less, rat faster in nicer ships and not have to fun system upgrades) by doing L4's in empire why would you not? Not really, and this principle is standard in any game, particularly an MMO - the whole economy is balanced by ISK Faucets (ISK coming into the game) and ISK Drains (ISK leaving the game). ISK comes in via faucets, sits in the sink for a while, and goes out the drains. Without a balance between the faucets and drains there will either be inflation (where faucets > drains) or recession (where faucets < drains). The issue is that players will just find what works best for them regardless of how it effects the game as a whole. But if there is enough inflation, you can bet your ass that players will complain about "how much items cost these days". Particularly in a free market economy that we now have because mineral prices are no longer tied to base price via insurance. And where exactly on CCP Greyscale devblog does he states that reducing the ISK entering the game is one of their goals?! CCP history of game changes are full of examples where the changes had the complete opposite result of what was expected. This either means that CCP's real reason are different than what they make us believe, or that they simply aren't good at projecting end-results. And anyone that believes that these changes will have the desired effects, are hopelessly deluding themselves. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.30 18:26:00 - [36] Originally by: Gariboldi Phiron Quote: You are forcing people out from 0.0 back to the empire to do missions QFT L4 missions are already nearly as profitable as anomalies and (other than during war decs) they are far safer to do. Everyone will naturally gravitate to the most profitable use of their time (that they can stand doing) and removing anoms will just shift that right back to the previous king of isk grinding. I wish the players could fire one ccp staffer a year for being a moron, because Greyscale would get my vote this year. You're forgetting that they are going to nerf level 4 missions as well. No more 7k LP kill missions. 3k lp at best. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:16:00 - [37] I just love the way people say that we had no anomalies before and were able to make do, so its no big deal. Well, i agree. Since EVERYONE used to get on by on 0.0 with belt-ratting, and EVERYONE will have to go back to belt-ratting, no harm will be done, and no balance will be broken. Oh wait.. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.30 20:30:00 - [38] Originally by: Ashaai It's been four days and almost 1500 posts in this thread since someone from CCP commented on it. Last CCP post as far as I can find is post 470 by Greyscale. And yet this change is still scheduled to go live with the Incursion 1.4 patch scheduled for this coming Tuesday: http://www.eveonline.com/en/incursion/features Regardless of the rest of those features (most of which are super A+ awesome kthx), has this particular change been put on hold pending continued development/iteration? The response in this thread has been overwhelmingly negative. The response across most of the eve blog community has been overwhelmingly negative. And the response amongst most of the peolpe I know in game has been overwhelmingly negative (for whatever my personal bias counts). None of the very reasonable concerns raised by the community here and elsewhere have been addressed. I think it would go a long way to assuage our concerns if we knew we weren't going to be deaing with this change in less than a week. Some follow up, I think, is deserved. And that is the response of only those who follow eve news. Once the change goes live, expect the negative response to grow ten-fold. I can only say that CCP's real reasons are unknown to us, and that they also wish it to remain unknown. Regardless of all the bad things that were argumented here, CCP perceives something as a big plus, and that something is a secret. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.31 00:22:00 - [39] Originally by: Omara Otawan Whats up with all the spergs jumping at Liangs throat in here, he's one of the few posters on these forums that have a really profound understanding of this game as well as years of actually constructive posting history. Although he's admittedly grown somewhat bitter lately, his opinion holds far more weight than all the random whining in here combined. People on these forums arent judged by their personal qualities or feats, they're judged solely by their opinion on the current thread. If you are against the change you are automatically an NC whiner, and if you are for the changes you are a good true-sec dwelling troll. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.31 05:46:00 - [40] Edited by: Renan Ruivo on 31/03/2011 05:47:49 Why are people complaining to each other about these changes? After the first five days i was upset but now i've cooled down, and so should everybody else. Although we'd definatly want a 300 page threadnought to show how the overwhelmingly majority of the community is against this change, i can't see a reason as to why there are people going back and forth. Ten people things one way, and another person things it another way. Neither side should be judging the others based on their opinions, so just chill out. Both sides. ____________ I like woman because breasts

Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.03.31 23:15:00 - [41] Originally by: Skaarl [...]In the whole thread ive yet to see a reply that thinks that the action will actually result in the predicted consequences. This. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.04.01 07:16:00 - [42] I am against the change, but i'm interested in this.. Why would people who run sanctums buy moon goo? I know a >6 years veteran eve player who does no PVE of any sort for at least 2 years. He lives off the market and producing goods, and consuming moon goo..
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.04.01 10:26:00 - [43] Originally by: Super Whopper Originally by: Erichk Knaar So, we've established that currently, anoms are netting ~45m-alot ISK/hr. We've established that a lot of people are angry about them making ~10m-20m ISK/hr. I'll ask this. Seeing as how the really expensive stuff is all moongoo paid, and most of the current conflict in Eve involves Drakes and sh*tfit Maels, what exactly are you lot doing with all this ISK now? I don't really see any 'big projects' going on. Just sitting there looking pretty in your wallet? Anoms earn 45m/hour? We have established anoms earn 150m/hour. If you're going to make nonsense up at least make something up to promote your pointless cause. Building Titans and MS are what? Good to know the ISK used to buy and build them are in alliance leaders wallets. Next time you see a fleet of super caps remind yourself they're not there, the money was never used. Liang and this nub are the definition of trolls. By picking some random numbers, false statements and making personal attacks they are not here to discuss anything, they're just here to antagonise. Sorry, the only ones who manage to pull off 150m/h witha anomalies are those who run with two or three carriers, or two carriers and one T3, or one super... you catch my drift. If your average grunt can pull 60m/h, then he's doing VERY nice. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.04.01 21:23:00 - [44] Edited by: Renan Ruivo on 01/04/2011 21:24:26 Edited by: Renan Ruivo on 01/04/2011 21:23:36 Originally by: Karl Planck ROFL, this thread reminds me of how most of 0.0'ers pvp. "Well, we don't like it and were really not talented enough to make this work to our atvantage, lets blob the sh*t out of it" ROFL, this reminds me about how "elite" low-sec pvp'ers like to shoot industrials and tech 1 cruisers with carriers and vindicators camping a station.. Problem?? Dock up/warp-to-POS lololololololololbr ____________ I like woman because breasts

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